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		<title>By: GolfLove</title>
		<link>http://larrydownes.com/note-to-ebay-a-chink-in-the-amazon-armor/comment-page-1/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>GolfLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past few days another series of issues has materialized in the Amazon cloud.   Many Amazon customers snapped up a set  of Taylormade R9 clubs for $112.00.  I ordered two sets.  Our orders were in process and then in a series of postings on Facebook, the CEO of an affiliate merchant called The Golf Warehouse (&quot;TGW&quot;) said that Amazon mis-priced these items.  He posted and emailed that the price was an obvious error.  Well, it&#039;s not an obvious pricing gaffe.  $12.00 for a set of R9&#039;s would be obvious, but $112.00 for a set appears to one of those deals we often hear about someone else snapping up.  Of course, this deal was TGW who posts that they offer &quot;unreal deals.&quot;  This time, I was quick with a click and moved two real sets to my cart.  One for my father-inlaw and one for me.  A great deal.  A day later, my order was cancelled by a terse e-mail from Amazon.  No explanation, no apology and apparently little regard for the consumer.

Before, my deal for the R9&#039;s was unilaterally cancelled by Amazon, I later discovered another deal from TGW.  So not just this one set of clubs (the Taylormade R9 deal)  but Amazon (TGW was the merchant affiliate again) offered a set of Adams A7 hybrid wedges.  Four clubs for $62.50.  Another asserted 90% off deal--which is something I move quickly on.  Because it was Amazon (with a famed A-Z guarantee) I again bought two sets--one for my father-inlaw and one for me.  Into my cart and bought.  My debit card was processed and the money for the purchased locked down and then a friend of mine pointed out that my hybrid deal wasn&#039;t at all special.  He told me it was just one club for $62.50-- a #7 Adams A7, and not four (the #3,4,5, and 6 hybrid clubs).  

I was perplexed for a moment until I found the screen shot I printed out of my purchase and determined that Amazon or TGW changed not only the description of goods after I purchased them but also changed what I bought and replaced the four Adams clubs in my cart with the single number seven club.  Now if that ain&#039;t bait and switch, I don&#039;t know what would be.  I contacted the merchant and Amazon and this order too was abruptly cancelled.  

One of the remarkable things here apart from the law which requires a merchant to honor and advertised price in most cases, it that Amazon purportedly has the much hyped A-Z guarantee.  Paragraph 8 of the A-Z guarantee states that in a fixed price transaction the seller is obligated to sell the goods at the listed price to buyers who meet the Seller&#039;s terms.  It applies in both instances with this Amazon merchant.  Merchant&#039;s accept the risk of dealing with these terms from Amazon and live under the sword of this A-Z guarantee to do business of Amazon.  But, apparently this sword is made of plastic, because Amazon selectively applies this guarantee and would not stand behind it in either of these deals.  So much for the credibility of Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past few days another series of issues has materialized in the Amazon cloud.   Many Amazon customers snapped up a set  of Taylormade R9 clubs for $112.00.  I ordered two sets.  Our orders were in process and then in a series of postings on Facebook, the CEO of an affiliate merchant called The Golf Warehouse (&#8220;TGW&#8221;) said that Amazon mis-priced these items.  He posted and emailed that the price was an obvious error.  Well, it&#8217;s not an obvious pricing gaffe.  $12.00 for a set of R9&#8242;s would be obvious, but $112.00 for a set appears to one of those deals we often hear about someone else snapping up.  Of course, this deal was TGW who posts that they offer &#8220;unreal deals.&#8221;  This time, I was quick with a click and moved two real sets to my cart.  One for my father-inlaw and one for me.  A great deal.  A day later, my order was cancelled by a terse e-mail from Amazon.  No explanation, no apology and apparently little regard for the consumer.</p>
<p>Before, my deal for the R9&#8242;s was unilaterally cancelled by Amazon, I later discovered another deal from TGW.  So not just this one set of clubs (the Taylormade R9 deal)  but Amazon (TGW was the merchant affiliate again) offered a set of Adams A7 hybrid wedges.  Four clubs for $62.50.  Another asserted 90% off deal&#8211;which is something I move quickly on.  Because it was Amazon (with a famed A-Z guarantee) I again bought two sets&#8211;one for my father-inlaw and one for me.  Into my cart and bought.  My debit card was processed and the money for the purchased locked down and then a friend of mine pointed out that my hybrid deal wasn&#8217;t at all special.  He told me it was just one club for $62.50&#8211; a #7 Adams A7, and not four (the #3,4,5, and 6 hybrid clubs).  </p>
<p>I was perplexed for a moment until I found the screen shot I printed out of my purchase and determined that Amazon or TGW changed not only the description of goods after I purchased them but also changed what I bought and replaced the four Adams clubs in my cart with the single number seven club.  Now if that ain&#8217;t bait and switch, I don&#8217;t know what would be.  I contacted the merchant and Amazon and this order too was abruptly cancelled.  </p>
<p>One of the remarkable things here apart from the law which requires a merchant to honor and advertised price in most cases, it that Amazon purportedly has the much hyped A-Z guarantee.  Paragraph 8 of the A-Z guarantee states that in a fixed price transaction the seller is obligated to sell the goods at the listed price to buyers who meet the Seller&#8217;s terms.  It applies in both instances with this Amazon merchant.  Merchant&#8217;s accept the risk of dealing with these terms from Amazon and live under the sword of this A-Z guarantee to do business of Amazon.  But, apparently this sword is made of plastic, because Amazon selectively applies this guarantee and would not stand behind it in either of these deals.  So much for the credibility of Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Crowe</title>
		<link>http://larrydownes.com/note-to-ebay-a-chink-in-the-amazon-armor/comment-page-1/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 14:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a marketplace seller, your post is very thought provoking for me.  I haven&#039;t considered the legal implications you expose.

Yes, multiple sellers of the same products will sell under one universal product description. I had assumed that the largest/oldest/most feedbacked seller would drive the product description, so it&#039;s interesting that Amazon pitches in.  Think: who is more likely to know the product they are selling?  Amazon or the seller?

We are allowed to describe the product in our own listing but we are specifically told to not deviate from the main description.  In your case, I can see that the error of omission in your battery description- &quot;OEM&quot;, could be appealing to some sellers who might try to make things fuzzy and pass on some aftermarket unknown.

Responsibility?  In this case, as you describe it, you would think that Amazon is responsible for creating the patchwork quilt of a product description.  What else does the buyer have to influence his purchase other than this description?
I am all for being responsible for my items matching my descriptions, but I would shy away from that if my product message was being edited.

That being said, it does sound that your seller is not helping you out either.  A seller that has 4,000 feedback ratings has most likely sold to tens of thousands of individuals, as Amazon buyers don&#039;t usually leave feedback. I wouldn&#039;t worry about him keeping his son fed.  You might check his feedbacks to see if he has others complaining of item description &quot;confusion&quot;.

Also, as we sellers all know, it is our own item description that shows up on the Amazon supplied invoice that we are required to ship along with their purchases.  Your seller is not being truthful there and I wouldn&#039;t believe anything further from him.

Back to the liability issue: It would seem that if Amazon sidestepped the editing of product descriptions, they would at least be in the same legal position as Ebay.  Ebay will say that the accuracy of the listings is the responsibility of the Seller.

Interesting stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a marketplace seller, your post is very thought provoking for me.  I haven&#8217;t considered the legal implications you expose.</p>
<p>Yes, multiple sellers of the same products will sell under one universal product description. I had assumed that the largest/oldest/most feedbacked seller would drive the product description, so it&#8217;s interesting that Amazon pitches in.  Think: who is more likely to know the product they are selling?  Amazon or the seller?</p>
<p>We are allowed to describe the product in our own listing but we are specifically told to not deviate from the main description.  In your case, I can see that the error of omission in your battery description- &#8220;OEM&#8221;, could be appealing to some sellers who might try to make things fuzzy and pass on some aftermarket unknown.</p>
<p>Responsibility?  In this case, as you describe it, you would think that Amazon is responsible for creating the patchwork quilt of a product description.  What else does the buyer have to influence his purchase other than this description?<br />
I am all for being responsible for my items matching my descriptions, but I would shy away from that if my product message was being edited.</p>
<p>That being said, it does sound that your seller is not helping you out either.  A seller that has 4,000 feedback ratings has most likely sold to tens of thousands of individuals, as Amazon buyers don&#8217;t usually leave feedback. I wouldn&#8217;t worry about him keeping his son fed.  You might check his feedbacks to see if he has others complaining of item description &#8220;confusion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, as we sellers all know, it is our own item description that shows up on the Amazon supplied invoice that we are required to ship along with their purchases.  Your seller is not being truthful there and I wouldn&#8217;t believe anything further from him.</p>
<p>Back to the liability issue: It would seem that if Amazon sidestepped the editing of product descriptions, they would at least be in the same legal position as Ebay.  Ebay will say that the accuracy of the listings is the responsibility of the Seller.</p>
<p>Interesting stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: amazon seller</title>
		<link>http://larrydownes.com/note-to-ebay-a-chink-in-the-amazon-armor/comment-page-1/#comment-2408</link>
		<dc:creator>amazon seller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are the worst to deal with on the sellers side.  they refuse to listen to you and blindly credit customers even if there is over whelming information and evidence proving their case is false or even worse a lie. I finally pulled all my items from there and am heading back to ebay shortly to sell.  I havent used ebay in nearly 2 years,I hope not much has changed.

I went to amazon initially because of the lower fees and ease of listing items.  Both of those are no longer valid reasons.  

I can tell you, if you ever buy from an amazon merchant and you want a full refund.  jsut ask amazon, they will give it to you...and they dont even make you send the item back to the seller.  it is a scary place ti sell expensive items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the worst to deal with on the sellers side.  they refuse to listen to you and blindly credit customers even if there is over whelming information and evidence proving their case is false or even worse a lie. I finally pulled all my items from there and am heading back to ebay shortly to sell.  I havent used ebay in nearly 2 years,I hope not much has changed.</p>
<p>I went to amazon initially because of the lower fees and ease of listing items.  Both of those are no longer valid reasons.  </p>
<p>I can tell you, if you ever buy from an amazon merchant and you want a full refund.  jsut ask amazon, they will give it to you&#8230;and they dont even make you send the item back to the seller.  it is a scary place ti sell expensive items.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a HUGE problem on Amazon. I am really suprised they don&#039;t do a better job getting rid of the bad merchants. I am also very suprised that more of the mark holders don&#039;t sue both the merchants and Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a HUGE problem on Amazon. I am really suprised they don&#8217;t do a better job getting rid of the bad merchants. I am also very suprised that more of the mark holders don&#8217;t sue both the merchants and Amazon.</p>
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